Interview with Archibald Gumede 21 August 1990
… do? AG Well, you know, looking at the images of these two people, I see, well, a very big figure in Mandela and not … what I am trying to convey to you. When you look at those two I don't see that there is anything that can dent … followers not to do it. I mean, there is no doubt that the two of them are the leaders of these two organisations and …