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Beyers Naudé: former General-Secretary of the South African Council of Churches and before that Director of the Christian Institute interview with Rupert Taylor, 4 February 2000, Northcliff, Johannesburg

… to deny the real democratic non-racial strain within the movement. Beyers: That is correct. Taylor: And it was … happen it could become the turning-point you know in the history of South Africa. Taylor: And do you think it was? … That’s brilliant. Taylor: And so here we have the mass based movements: UDF, Cosatu, ANC, SACP. Beyers: Yeah, …

Professor H. W. van der Merwe: former Director of the Centre for Intergroup Studies interview with Rupert Taylor, 23 November 1999, 6 Cambridge Road, Observatory, Cape Town

… NGOs and then how they all interact with the mass based movement, and the ANC, and the SACP. I mean part of the … I think it’s fine, it’s okay to call me a pioneer in the history of it, but I am very much aware of the fact that …