Interview with Albert Luthuli by Studs Terkel, 6 May 1963, Chicago
… Africans; the reason for this, I suppose, is that Afrikaner, which in effect means African, is the white man`s … more cattle and land. TERKEL: One hears spokesmen for the Afrikaner establishment complain, But we were here first and … once said: "When you get a white man, particularly an Afrikaner, who can associate with black Africans freely, that …